Hello everyone,
We wanted to take this opportunity to announce a few changes to the moderation of the Nim communities.
Firstly we are announcing the appointment of new moderators. The current list includes @Vindaar, @mratsim, @Yardanico, @ftsf, @PMunch, @federico3 as well as @Araq and myself. This applies to all of our many communities, including this forum, Matrix, Discord, IRC and Telegram.
In the past our moderators have typically been appointed for one platform at a time, with these changes our moderators are now moderators across all our platforms and moderation decisions will now increasingly be made as a group. We are already working on putting together moderation guidelines for our moderators to ensure everyone is aligned and will be working together to make the Nim community a kind and welcoming place for everyone.
As part of this we are also introducing a new way to get in touch with our mods. If you have any feedback or questions you want to raise with us privately then feel free to do so via this form https://forms.gle/2TbJPGRtZg66Lf3X6.
As always we are happy to hear feedback and questions in this forum thread as well :)
If Nim is following the prevailing cultural marxist approach of policing contributors I guess that means I am not welcome... I was driven away from Python and Swift for exactly this reason. Do I have to find another language to invest my time in?
We weren't put on this earth to obey men. I don't care who you are. This is the principle of liberty, and enabled the establishment of civilisation. It is liberty that enables decency, not the suffocating blanket of censorship. What is the reason for this? What harm has been done that provokes the need? Is the Nim community already too big, that dissidents can already begin to be weeded out?
fully equiped with the knowledge that this will only escalate this further, you are aware that this language literally has a literal dictator?
Besides I don't get your version of "freedom" (and the usage of boogy words such as "cultural marxism doesn't help with that). Rules which apply to everybody equally can definitely be the precondition to some forms of freedom. The rights of my freedom only reach so far that they don't hinder anybody else's freedom.
That's right every programming language now has rulers and is a community, these days.
Moderators are required: to police the tone of conversation, to keep communication within the bounds of decency.
The only "prejudice" and 'bile" that is allowed is when it is used to challenge those Toxic Ones who are uncomfortable with the fact that open sourced technology has some how become conflated with political human relations. The "C-community" sounds no less ridiculous to me than the 'Calculus Community". Nobody of course is surprised that there is a Flat Earth Society.
As you say, we don't want "boogy words" or "boogy" people saying untoward things that might impinge on the ego of fragile millennials. The employee handbook is quite clear on this: if an elder is offended, then the message must be deemed offensive. The judges' parallel justice verdict must be final on this to save further waste of energy, and to reduce the 'harm' that may follow.
The millennial generation are the ones who could not possibly have built the first programming languages since they required free-ranging experimentation, failure and "offensive" communication.
It's really funny to people like me who were indoctrinated during the cold war period - to resist communism - to now see kids perfectly happy adopting North Korean style 'happy communities' where constant clapping and smiling is required to maintain the outward manifestation of order and respect.
My posts here have been deemed some form of metaphorical firework. Guessing that is an against-guidelines, form of bad.
Watch out, sparks from some of the incendiary meaning might catch an innocent right in the eye!
FYI the age of presumed innocence lasts until age 35, but not a day after, this is a Maoist formulation.
I only add this fact to prevent the worst crime in an engineering forum, one which everybody else has already certainly committed: low signal/noise ratio content.
I expected a pile-on, I invite them wherever and whatever I do.
There's a generational conflict developing, I suppose I may as well face up to it rather than pretend it doesn't exist. I am on the brink of slinging my hook, and testing the Web Assembly Community (WAC) to see if their pool already contains a marxist infection or I am permitted to swim without supervisors watching me.
have come to terms with the fact that millennials have been indoctrinated for socialism in precisely the same way that I was indoctrinated against it during the cold war campaign - can now see that the exceptional liberty we enjoyed back then was actually only a war tactic.
You have all the rights to not like the direction in which a culture you're a part of is evolving. And you have all the rights to push back, dispel what you perceive as illusions by presenting an alternative narrative (preferably, backed by facts) and preach the truths you're certain of. However: people don't like being challenged, they don't like being told they're mistaken, and the harder you push the more you'll be seen as a disruptive element, your words will be found offensive and the more opposition you'll face. Moreover, the deeper are the things you're trying to influence seat in the hierarchy of person's world view, the harder they will fight back.
That's human nature. If you want to keep making a difference, you have to be smart, tactful and avoid drawing people (according to their perception) into conflicts.
The manner in which you've expressed your concerns will certainly be seen at the very least as not 100% appropriate for this particular place by some.
I'm saying all of this just because people who are passionate about a topic very often can't objectively see how big is the part of other people's attention this topic really occupies. What people might perceive as a mere technicality, a means to an end, might be the center of one's attention and passion. One should keep this in mind to avoid total breakdown of communication with others.
I'm certainly pleased by the well-considered and respectful responses you get here, at least compared to some other places in the net where people are banned left and right.
If you'd like to continue this discussion I invite you to the #offtopic irc/matrix room where it certainly won't be thought out of place, if kept civil.
@DIzer There are good reasons for the changes. For example, recently there have been instances of spam being posted to Discord via the Matrix bridge, and none of the mods online at the time had the tools necessary to deal with it since they weren't mods on Matrix.
Given that context, I'm honestly stunned at how this thread was derailed...
The manner in which you've expressed your concerns will certainly be seen at the very least as not 100% appropriate for this particular place by some.
A more millennial sentence than this is impossible to imagine.
If Nim has degenerated from open source technology to community for the likeminded ignoramus then it is far better that I know early than after I have deposited years of effort into the language.
A programming language is a serious investment choice. Apart from some AI initiatives that purport to allow high level translation, once your IP is encoded in a language it is very expensive to move it elsewhere.
I was driven away from Python and Swift for exactly this reason. Do I have to find another language to invest my time in?
As the saying goes : If everywhere you go it smells like shit, maybe you should check your own shoes.
There has never been a dictatorial tyranny in history that was undertaken without a positive pretext.
Right, and historically unmoderated community online always go well.
Also, Nim IS a tyranny with Araq its benevolent dictator. This has never been a secret.
If Nim has degenerated from open source technology to community for the likeminded ignoramus
Nothing changed, moderator were always present. The current organization was just made more public.
Politeness and respect aren't a big conspiracy to deprive you of your liberty, it's just a way for people to interact with mutual respect, avoiding spam and unnecessary emotional outburst (which often are counter productive).
All in all, it just feels like you're complaining that you can't be an asshole... It's a little sad
A more millennial sentence than this is impossible to imagine.
If Nim has degenerated from open source technology to community for the likeminded ignoramus then...
Ok, so since you were answering my post I take it as a stab at me. I tried to give you a hint, it's pretty easy to spot in my post, seems it flew by unnoticed.
You know nothing about me (or most of the other users here), what I was indoctrinated into, how like-minded I am to others here, how old nor how ignorant I am. Instead of engaging in a proper mindful conversation you provoke me. This just tells me I may have misjudged the level of communication you're comfortable with and I'm sorry for that.
Since you don't seem satisfied with an answer from a fellow community member, here is the same answer from one of the moderators on the list.
This change doesn't bring about a new level of moderation. This change doesn't change the way Nim discussions are moderated. this change doesn't mean more moderation.
This is only a way for us moderators to stay more coherent across the various platforms of Nim discussion. The Nim forum, even though fairly recently introduced, has not been the only forum of discussion of Nim discussions. For a very long time the main discussion channel has been the live platforms like Discord/IRC/Matrix (now all linked together). Although the forum is now taking a greater part of the discussion it's not the only platform.
Timezones, work schedules, etc. have meant that being a moderator on one platform could've left you powerless to ban an outright troll on a different platform (even those linked together). This "evolution" is only a way for our team of moderators to apply the same moderation across all platforms and to make sure that we abide by the same guidelines on all our platforms.
If you haven't been banned thus far on either of our platforms your probably won't be in the future either.
We wanted to take this opportunity to announce a few changes to the moderation of the Nim communities.
Firstly we are announcing the appointment of new moderators. The current list includes @Vindaar, @mratsim, @Yardanico, @ftsf, @PMunch, @federico3 as well as @Araq and myself.
I guess this thread could also be an opportunity to thank the moderators for their past and future efforts in making all of our channels better places to discuss Nim, its ecosystem and evolution. Moderation is not easy but we all benefit from it.
Thanks a lot with all my heart! ❤️