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5244 :: Translate syntax to some of natural language?

• Lachu (orginal) [2019-09-29T17:23:44+02:00] view original

  I decided to learn nim and do funny things. As I remembered, long time ago, programming language (scientist?) had to translate syntax of some languages to use some other natural language than English. This would be especially useful for children (not each child must known English, but learning computer programming is like learning math - you must think).

  I decided to start with Polish, because I live in Poland. I known nim have great macro system, which allows to near define own syntax. I need some help:

  1. Some advice/template macro, which could I extend?
  2. How to change statement to not have special meaning, so nim treads it as (for example) variable name or how to disable nim statements?
  3. How to pass command line argument to include file with given path - I need this, because include/etc. is an English word and I think we shouldn't force user to use it

  I known people currently doesn't translate syntax (decided it's stupid think), but I think it's best way to learn nim possibilities, especially to generate config files from source for example and vice-versa ;-) .

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• dponyatov (orginal) [2019-10-01T14:21:27+02:00] view original

  Use Reverse Polish 8-)

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• dponyatov (orginal) [2019-10-01T15:05:03+02:00] view original

  You are right, learning computer programming is like learning math -- you must not only think, but also must learn the language system, and terminology to read anything, and to let anybody else read your thinkings was written.

  If you translate only language keywords, it will be just your toy. In Russia, we have the 1C accounting system that goes this way -- sometimes it is funny, also it is annoying for people who have any programming background.

  Programming is not writing code, programming is understanding data structures and algorithms, few dozens of English keywords not a problem comparing say Red/Black trees implementation.

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• dponyatov (orginal) [2019-10-01T15:16:55+02:00] view original

  Playing with graph representation for programs (in place of programming languages), I found that we can easily identify any object with two [polish] words: type tag and its name (or scalar literal value). But the problem rises right in a moment where we try to describe relation between a few entites.

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• Lachu (orginal) [2019-10-01T18:30:09+02:00] view original

  Ok. I will went this direction. Many years ago I started partnership project, which is a computer program and command database with commands description and it's insecurity level. Also I have similar database for files. The project was abandoned, meanwhile explain shell appear. I now thinking about write similar to progress/explain shell reverse engineering tool to create graph of bash script. It will translate bash script to graph with human readable description of this script. It will save current directory and when it find ls * (for example), it will put rectangle and text "ls *; will list each file in /etc/" (for example). For pipe it will create tree. For example ls * | grep *.png gives "ls * | grep .png: it filter each element containing .png string for: list of each file in /home/I" .

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• dponyatov (orginal) [2019-10-02T08:17:35+02:00] view original

  Does it look like a symbolic execution method?

  • https://www.coursera.org/lecture/software-security/introducing-symbolic-execution-agCNF
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6GbaJq-aFo

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• Lachu (orginal) [2019-10-05T14:51:12+02:00] view original

  I don't think about something similar to symbolic execution. We don't check any possibly value, etc. We only show diagram to user (with descriptions).

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